Wednesday, July 14, 2004

 
Someone brave enough to e-mail me asked what happens to the summers who don't take their offers. Frankly, I don't care what happens to them. They're ungrateful for everything we do for them all summer. The least they can do is pretend this is what they want to do and come work for us for a year or two. We need a bit of their time just to make back all the money we throw at them all summer. The truth is that I see our old summers who didn't take their offers all the time -- behind the counter at McDonalds, picking up trash on the street, living in the park, begging for change on the bus (not that I ever take the bus, but I've been told).

There are two kinds of people who don't take the offers: (1) People who worked somewhere else and realize they can't hack it here so they'd better go there. Usually in some second-rate city like Boston or Chicago. (2) People who think they have it all figured out, and that they're going to find some imaginary job where they can have it all -- money, a life, friends... it doesn't work that way. Most people would kill for a job that paid them this much, gave them the occupational prestige this job has, and was, besides the hours, really pretty straightforward work. No heavy lifting, doesn't have to be much travel, you get a secretary, you get vacation days you can occasionally take. But they think there's something better out there. Some perfect world where people are happy, rich, and at peace with themselves and the choices they've made. Well, no one's at peace. No one really, truly likes what they do -- I mean to the point where they would do it for no money. If they say so, they're lying. Maybe movie actors and sports stars. But if you're at a law firm you're clearly not pretty enough to be a movie actor or uneducated enough to be a sports star. So this is as good as it gets.

I tell you, that vacation really renewed my spirits. My mood before getting away for a while was down -- I was getting skeptical about this life. But not this week. This week I'm back where I need to be. Ready to help some rich people.

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What happens to summers who accept? At my firm, if a summer accepts a position to join a particular department, it is widely known within the firm (but not shared with the associate, until it is too late) that the summer will quickly be overwhelmed with work, given absolutely no guidance or mentoring from others in the department, and then will get his/her ass handed to him/her on a platter at review time. Usually, that culimnates in the new associate leaving the firm after 1.5-2 years. Congratulations on joining our Firm!! Now, you can leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out!!
 
Now why on Earth would Anonymous Wife see the need for you to visit a marriage counselor. I have no idea...

Were you always this jaded? Damn. Anyone want to start a pool on how long before AL's first heart attack? (If he hasn't had one already). Some people *are* happy. Too bad you aren't one of them! :)
 
I like Boston. Seasons are nice. LA is so overrated. The only people who live there are lawyers too ugly to be movie stars and too dumb to live in a real city.
 
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"Some perfect world where people are happy, rich, and at peace with themselves and the choices they've made. Well, no one's at peace."

Amen. Happy, rich AND at peace?

Hell, most people would die to have just one of the three. LOVED this post, AL. A good friend of mine is a 2nd year associate in Palo Alto; she buys $500 purses bi-weekly to make herself happy. It doesn't work for long, but there's always another purse which catches her fancy.
 
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Actually, I didn't get an offer from my big New York firm. It was the best thing that ever happened to me. After graduating, I joined the DA's office, and now I'm in court every day.

It's nice to be a real lawer, instead of just a backroom clerk.
 
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I don't think people who work in court everyday necessarily make better lawyers. They may develop better skills for cases which have a heavy emphasis on facts. (Before anyone blows a gasket, I mean where the emphasis is on influencing the finder of fact, rather than the finder of law.) This would obviously be important in certain (non-white collar) criminal cases, and personal injury cases.

But there's a whole universe of law out there where the emphasis is on written argument to a judge, to decide legal issues. Think bankruptcy, corporate governance disputes, copyright cases. These are two very different skills, but good lawyers have developed both.
 
And where is the best place to learn both? It's certainly not in law school. Is the best place a firm like AL's? Lifestyle's? The DA's office?
 
And where is the best place to learn both? It's certainly not in law school. Is the best place a firm like AL's? Lifestyle's? The DA's office?
 
And where is the best place to learn both? It's certainly not in law school. Is the best place a firm like AL's? Lifestyle's? The DA's office?
 
I think that's a hard question (but not so hard you needed to ask it thrice.) I've had a positive experience with an excellently credentialed, tiny firm that staffed its cases lightly so I was perforce exposed to the courtroom. I would typify them as a commercial litigation plaintiff's firms.
 
Oh please. I'm sick of people trying to pretend that motions practice is the same as actually being a lawyer. Ask yourself this question--when you first decided to become a lawyer, did you see yourself in front of a jury, or spending your career doing discovery?
 
I saw myself doing slaving over 10-K disclosures, niggling over miniscule details in FCC filings, pointing out new ways for my client to cheat on their taxes, and condescending to and abusing the staff underneath.

Why?

Seriously, its a matter of personal preference. I like kicking an opponent around with motions to dismiss and rule 9(b) motions, squeezing them with requests to admit and motions in limine, and getting dispositive advantages with preliminary injunctions. Prsenting facts (as presented and determined by a fact finder) are less interesting to me; the strategy and analysis of it appeals to me much, much more.
 
Well, your preferences are messed up. Your strategy is to avoid court at all costs--and you probably get kicked around on all these motions, too. Don't you just want to have it out, have a showdown with the other side? If you were a real man, you'd be hungering for the gunfight.
 
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I'm sorry, but I have to agree with the guy who doesn't want the law to be boring. Also, the last two posters--you're not making arguments, you are making ad hominem attacks. That's not very convincing.

The issue here is whether pushing paper and riding a desk is an ideal form of lawyering; I don't think many people's ideal is letting courts become just another agency a lawyer deals with.

Also, please stop your ad hominems--they are not valid forms of argument.
 
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AL says the work he does is easy excepting the long hours. What really justifies the high price of the labor and necessary training? Judging from recent posts the profits of legal work (of the type under discussion) can be enormous, but the work really doesn't provide anything of productive value to anyone. Its just a transfer of money to lawyers forced by the nature of the laws that have been put into place.

So what should we think about any person who would spend so much time and energy to get into a class of people that is not only condescending, but is parasitic and essentially worthless? Is that kind of blind ambition something that is really admired today?
 
I'm pretty happy, rich, and at peace. Hell, I could retire today, but my job is pretty fun. (I'm a professor and do some consulting work "on the side," consulting work which actually pays a ton more than does my university.) And I most definitely work far fewer hours and go on more vacations and get to spend more quality time with the folks I love than does AL.

Oh well.

Still, it's nice to have the old AL back, though - you cocky, self-assured SOB, you!
 
Methinks the professor has forgotten irony.
 
Wow, what a party!

I've done law and motion work and trial work. It's all good; beating an opponent to death because said opponent was stupid is really fun, and is more easily done in complex non-trial type cases.

If you've ever had a careful, able judge stomp your opponents head with your arguments at law and motion, you know the happy feeling.

Trials are more Showtime. Showtime's fun, too. I don't fault lawyers who like other things, but the thrill of a trial is addicting.
 
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